This Is Not Noise: Inaugural Blue Note Jazz Festival Makes History

“[Both] of them, the spirituals and the blues, they was a prayer. One was praying to God and the other was praying to what’s human. It’s like one was saying ‘Oh God, let me go,’ and the other was saying, ‘Oh Mister, let me be.’ And they were both the same thing in a way; they were both my people’s way of praying to be themselves, they had a kind of trance to them, a kind of forgetting. It was like a man closing his eyes so he can see a light inside him. That light, it’s far off and you’ve got to wait to see it. But it’s there. It’s waiting. The spirituals, they’re a way of seeing that light. It’s far off music; it’s a going away, but it’s a going away that takes you with it. And the blues, they’ve got that sob inside, that awful lonesome feeling. It’s got so much remembering inside it, so many bad things to remember, so many losses.” - Sidney Bechet, Treat It Gentle

“We don’t play music, we pray music.” - Amir Sulaiman, “In Tune”

Photograph of Blue Note Jazz Festival crowd (2022) by Ashleigh Reddy

It’s easy to overlook the obvious but sometimes the truth is hiding in plain sight. As recognizable as Blue Note is worldwide, not many people know what a blue note is in the context of the music itself. Without getting lost in the weeds of music theory, academic Lindsey Valich defines blue notes as, “notes ‘between the cracks’ of conventional pitches''. Foundational to both blues and jazz, blue notes stretch outside of the scale for expressive effect - they subvert expectations in pursuit of an honest sound. And this search, this insistence upon authenticity, is one of the connective threads of the artists who made history this weekend in Napa Valley at the inaugural Blue Note Jazz Festival.

Let’s be clear that all festivals, even the ones with the line-up of a lifetime, run on a certain formula to maximize profit. A bottle of water will run you $8, VIP tickets will cost double even if the difference between the two tiers is minimal. Festivals are their own microcosms for America, fraught with the same power struggles, hierarchies and long, inefficient lines for food. I’m not interested in justifying the inaccessible price points or painting a glamorous picture of a much more nuanced reality. I am however interested in the music and the brilliant and complicated people who make it.

Photograph of Thundercat (2022) by Ashleigh Reddy

While at the Blue Note Jazz Festival this past weekend, we sat down with three standout artists on the bill: Jahi Sundance, Alex Isley, and Amber Navran to catch up, learn about their relationship to jazz, and get a sense of their first-hand experiences performing and attending the festival.

JAHI SUNDANCE

Multi-instrumentalist, producer, and DJ Jahi Sundance and I sat for an interview on a green sofa in the press lounge, finding momentary refuge from the insufferable afternoon Napa heat. As the son of Oliver Lake, a renowned jazz saxophonist, flutist, composer, poet, and visual artist, Jahi comes from a lineage of jazz that has informed and shaped his unique approach to DJing.

To borrow a phrase coined by historian Mircea Eliade, Jahi acts as a “technician of the sacred” throughout Robert Glasper’s evening sets and each night the circumference of his vibrational cipher holds within it the heaviest players alive from Kamasi Washington to Thundercat.

Photography of Jahi Sundance (2022) by Ashleigh Reddy

What was your relationship to jazz growing up? When did you get introduced to it and since you come from a musical family, were you drawn to the music off top or did it take time? Last question in this Russian Doll of questions (ha), what's your current relationship to both listening to jazz and its influence on how you DJ?

JAHI: My dad's a jazz musician. His name is Oliver Lake. He's a saxophone player. He's recognized in many ways in the jazz world. So when I was born and came home from the hospital, Dad was having rehearsal and they wrote a song for me. Jazz is my whole life, there’s no escaping it. I was a backstage baby as a kid growing up backstage at jazz shows with jazz people doing jazz stuff with jazz cats my whole life. It was never music that I didn't like because I didn't have a choice not to like it because I grew up listening to it. You may act like you don't like it when you're a teen but you like that shit. You know what I mean? It’s all you know. I played saxophone all through middle school and high school and college in jazz groups and did a bunch of jazz shit, jazz camps, all the jazz stuff you can do. And so, I'm in jazz, you know what I mean? Linking up with Robert [Glasper] and Christian McBride, with all those people, has been just a natural process of my life.

Photograph of Oliver Lake from his website

JAHI: So, you know, being at this Blue Note Jazz Festival and being able to perform at Blue Note in New York with Rob and Blue Note in China has been amazing. And part of that legacy is being able to bring a different approach to DJing. An approach that's really inspired by jazz. That's inspired by fitting into the music in an improvisational way that's not predictable and is more emotionally responsive to the music that's happening in the moment, within the confines of the tune, but still expressive and not necessarily just executing parts. There's a lane that I've carved out that has to do with a level of musicianship that is inspired by jazz. And as a result, the musicians that I play with have allowed me to do that on their records.

Photograph of Jahi Sundance (2022) by Ashleigh Reddy

JAHI: What I'm really trying to do with DJing is be like a record, be like a circle around the entire band. So I'm trying to affect and respond to everybody's playing in the entire band in subtle ways, not all at once, but still encircling the whole band. I’m trying to be a circle around everybody, no matter which shape they may be in, whether they're a triangle or square or a circle themselves. I'm always trying to be a circle.

We’re at the Blue Note Jazz Festival and one interesting thing I’ve observed is that not a lot of people know what blue notes are in the context of the music. For those who don’t know, can you define it for us?

JAHI: Blue notes are the notes that are outside of the scale, generally. Every song has chord changes and those chord changes determine the scales that you can play in. And then there are notes that are outside of the scale. But the truth is that a lot of times, when you stretch to those notes outside of the scale, that's what created a lot of different versions of jazz, was people rewriting what could be played inside of the scale.

That was a beautiful answer. Thank you, Jahi. I asked the question because I think blue notes as notes outside of the scale is an apt metaphor for the music you make - the way it cross-pollinates genre, style and approach. You are not someone who is beholden to convention but someone who stretches and straddles multiple emotional registers and musical traditions. I’m curious how you would self-describe where you sit musically?

JAHI: I feel like more important than genre, more even important than even your own self-labeling that you may want to do is authenticity. That's the barometer for all of my choices. Like every single choice that I make is based on what I think is authentic or not. There's literally no genre that is out of bounds because there's authenticity inside of all forms of music. And if you can find it and touch it, then you should be able to relate to it or at least I can.

I’m going to ask you to define authenticity only because I feel like that word means different things to different people.

JAHI: I feel like people have weird rules for art. And part of it is because art goes through phases and it's created and then at a certain point it's institutionalized and then it starts to be taught. And those phases of art we can see with hip hop, right? Hip hop just started in the late seventies and it's been institutionalized recently over the past, I'd say, 15 years. You see universities popping up with hip hop departments. Cornell has a collection and Harvard has a collection, and now they're buying stuff. They're going to the old hip hop guys and saying, ‘you know, let me buy all your chains and your paperwork and all your old stuff and all your collections of records’. And so those collections are now becoming valuable. And now we're seeing hip hop being taught. You can go to a class to learn hip hop. And so these phases of art sometimes get us into an idea of what's authentic by programming us to say the authentic jazz is John Coltrane of this era or Miles before the electric band. Authenticity is not a teachable thing. This [music] is a gift I have from my mom, who is able to tell when things are authentic or not just through existing. It's not about what somebody is going to say or what some rules are going to tell you. Authenticity is literally something that we're always looking for.

That was a really beautiful answer. There’s so much spinning in my head after what you said. I spend a lot of time thinking about the critical difference between preserving culture and institutionalizing it. I think someone like Greg Tate was an example of a music historian who acted as a witness rather than a voyeur. I feel his loss in this moment where music journalism consists mostly of tower of babel twitter commentary largely produced from an outsider’s perspective. Can you elaborate on the part institutions play in commodifying the music?

JAHI: First of all, speaking on Greg Tate, I had known Greg for about 20 years. Amazing person. He was writing about my dad and writing about my brother and writing about Michelle and writing about all these people who are close in my life. I met him just being in New York, going to Joe's Pub and, you know, you meet Greg Tate hanging out. He was a man beyond reproach. What a beautiful voice that we lost.

Photograph of Greg Tate (2016) *Nisha Sondhe/Duke University Press*

JAHI: When it comes to institutions, I don't have any problems with them teaching jazz - the issue is more about when that starts to become the definition of what's possible. What happens is you have these institutions like “Jazz at Lincoln Center” and others where they are offering a program that doesn't include anything that's far to the left. And that really doesn't shine a light on the entire breadth of what happened with jazz and particularly what happened with the heroes. What happened with Miles, what happened with Coltrane, what happened with the people that we really laud is that towards the end of their careers, they were searching for something more. They were searching for a way to speak to God on their instrument. And that brings you past all the possible things you could learn in an institution or all the possible things you could do when you have a strict definition of what's possible inside of the music.

You spend your whole life learning something to only get to a point to say, shit, I have to forget all of it. If you want to get to the next level, you have to forget everything that you learned going there. But all those things going there were all the things that you needed. So it's alright. But that's the real shit. Look at all the emcees who are relevant for over 20 years. It's a very small club. Most of them had to forget how they rapped before at a certain point to stay relevant. You have to forget. You have to come up with something new to do. You really do.

Oof, yes! You have to subvert your own convention. Sun Ra comes to mind as an embodiment of an artist who was searching for something more - something beyond the gaze or validation or false comfort of an institution. He had the audacity to create his own myth, which emerged from and braided together many existing traditions, and insisted upon it. He didn’t ask for permission, he made a decision and invited artists to join him in it. We have the power to create pathways of production and distribution that don’t depend on the obvious. Though, I suppose, It also doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive but the Lincoln Center certainly isn’t the only avenue for visibility and reach - especially not for real impact. I’m curious how you have navigated the different pathways available to you? Where do you find encouragement when you want to take a risk?

JAHI: I used to DJ, just like most of my DJ friends, in clubs every night in New York and I always give a shout out every interview to Michelle Ndegeocello, who took me on tour and gave me a space on stage to experiment and start DJing in a different way. That space allowed me to develop a style that is unique to me and that requires a lot of like saying no. When I moved to L.A., I met some drug dealer rappers who were coming to a club I was DJing at, and they had mad cash and they were like, “we want to do some shows, you should DJ our shows” and so I did one show with them just for that first cash payment that I needed. But then they were like, “we want to do more shows!” I said “no, I can't do it” even though they were paying me a lot of money. It was no because it was not what I was trying to be known for. It wasn't what I was trying to do. When you are navigating within yourself and you've come up on something that you know is you, you have to rock with it. You have to. You have to. Most people don't talk about the no. There's a huge part where you have to say no to a lot of things to get what you want. A lot of people talk about the yes part, you know what I mean? But the no part - that's gigantic. It’s about knowing what it is that you're supposed to be doing on your instrument or with your creativity and then executing that.

The power of no is essential. You’ve talked about Michelle and Rob as critical relationships in providing opportunities for you to experiment and hone your unique approach. I know a few talented artists who struggle with social isolation and may not have those connections to call in when they need a lifeline or a chance. Can you speak on the art of maintaining connections? What advice would you give an artist who struggles to cultivate key relationships?

JAHI: I think the best way that I found to build relationships with the people that you want to have relationships in this business, people who may be famous or maybe successful and you want to align yourself with them. The best way is to never be pushy, always be respectful, and always be persistent. Now there's a difference between persistent and pushy. Pushy energy is energy that people don't like. Persistence is really consistent, not annoying. Those are two different things - being consistent is something that somebody will recognize. Being annoying is something that somebody will never talk to you again for. You have to determine what those nuances are because they are nuanced approaches. For example, instead of calling someone or emailing them or hitting them on social media everyday with your mixtape, try to find out if that person is giving a talk or doing an event. Go and introduce yourself. That kind of approach will get you really far versus like, “I got all the stuff, I got a new mixtape and I'm the man” approach. Like that's one approach but you need money behind you to do that, you know what I mean? If you're going to do that and you got a rich backer, do it. Go for it. But if you're just out here struggling, it's just you. You're in the hustle. You got to be humble and you got to make yourself available for people. You have to be open to those people who you believe in. If you believe in someone, that's who you got to rock with.

Such generous advice. Damn, Jahi - thank you! Pivoting back to the music for a moment. In Sonny’s Blues, James Baldwin writes about how he imagines the relationship between the musician and their instrument to be fraught, “awful” in fact, since he has to fill it with “the breath of his own life” meaning, he has the difficult task of animating the piano or the trumpet with his own aliveness, his own emotion - volatile and messy as it is. I resonate with this curiosity and wonder how the tension produced in music might also express itself in improvisation and in blue notes. Can you speak to where and how you create tension in your music?

James Baldwin and Nina Simone | Collection of the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture, Photograph © Bernard Gotfryd

JAHI: Well for a lot of instrumentalists, it's about their relationship with practice. Because once you get to a certain point, performance is the easiest part of the entire relationship. At least for me, I think for singers that changes - the performance may not be the easiest part. But for instrumentalists, the performance is the easiest part. If you're the lead tenor player, the lead guitar player, the drummer, and whatever the performance is, the show is the fun part. That's the easiest part. You know what I mean? So the tension in the music is their relationship to practice.

But for DJs, at least for me and for other DJs I know, it's about your relationship to being a jukebox, right? So for me, escaping that as much as possible was the goal of being on stage. And so the fact that I put words into some of these instrumental tunes is what creates some tension sometimes. For example, we were in Brazil and Bolsonaro was the president and he's a Brazilian Trump, for those of you who don't know. But worse, because he's in Brazil and gets away with way more shit, you know? And so before the show, I went out into the street and did like two or three street interviews with people from Brazil in Portuguese. Even though I don't speak Portuguese, I brought the tour lady with me who spoke Portuguese, and I had her help me. And we did some interviews about Bolsonaro. I had people say statements about Bolsonaro into my phone. And then on the show that night, we played at a state house and there was people from the government there in the top.

They were in the balcony seats because we played in like an old opera house type place, like a state place that's owned by the country. And so towards the end of the set, we do Kendrick Lamar, “How Much A Dollar Cost”. And I usually play snippets from police shootings in America on Black people before we go into that song. But it was because we were in Brazil, I played all these Bolsonaro clips of people being like, “Fuck this guy!.” And the entire bottom of the crowd went fucking crazy. They were so happy. They went nuts. And everybody in the top, all the government people in the suits all got up and left. They all got up and left. And the next day they wrote us up in the paper. It was a big controversy and shit. So as far as bringing tension, musically, I feel like maybe the people who have more chordal note responsibility can bring more musical tension. My tension that I bring as a DJ is going to be emotional tension to the format. And that's really what I've been able to tap into and create.

Do you feel like there is like a ripening that happens in the music as you mature as a person? Toni Morrison and Octavia Butler wrote some of their heaviest works later in life, with all of that experience pulsing through the language. Sometimes when we’re younger, we still feel a need to prove something and then as you ripen, hopefully you start to transform and shed that compulsion to justify or outsource your worth. What do you think?

JAHI: Well, there's a couple of paths with that. When you're on a path that's more left, it's a longer path and you have to have a longer patience level. You know what I mean? Like in terms of national notoriety. Everybody on this interview knows who The Roots are but they had to wait a long time to become a nationally known group who never had a hit record. And that's the way that goes. So if you want to do something that's different, that's actually different, genuinely different, it's going to take a long time. Or you're going to have to know somebody and get in and and fight people. If you could do it that way when you're young, do it. Because that's the other way is to know someone and get in and then you just got to fight people. The whole way. If you're going to do something different, you're going to have to fight people the entire way. And that's just the way it is. You know what I mean? Like, it's just what it is. Ask anybody who did it and they'll tell you about all the fights that they had.

So there's the other way where you don't really fight people because I didn't really have to fight people in my career. It just takes a long time because you have to align with people and figure it out and you have to be there when the money is slim. And the money is slim and the money is slim. The money is slim. And hopefully you're doing that in your twenties. You know what I mean? Because the money is slim all through the twenties and then you get to the thirties and you're like, “now I'm supposed to have it?” Nope. It's really your mid-forties where it starts to hit if you're on this kind of racket. This is where the beginning is - your mid-forties of when it starts to hit. If you look at any of the careers of these really famous people who are left, look at look at what happens in their mid-forties, that's when it starts to go crazy. Quincy Jones, even though he had obviously produced Frank Sinatra and all these other people when he was like 17. Like Thriller doesn't happen until his mid-forties. So all these things that don't happen until you're mid-forties, like as far as like if you want to be this kind of like totally left or very different kind of artist, it's not going to pop for you till then. It's just not, you know what I mean? It's just not.

At 35, I find your insight both reassuring and humbling. The money sure is slim still. Mid-forties, here I come! I definitely resonate with the slower path that requires a higher level of patience. I think we’re all working in different time signatures and that’s okay. This is a bit of a cheesy question but since the path isn’t linear and the payoff is often delayed, how do you enjoy the ride? There’s a lot of talk about “self care” these days (taken out of the original revolutionary context) but I am interested in your wellness practices on tour and if you have any perspective on the explosion of wellness as an industry - particularly in LA.

JAHI: I feel like on the road with Rob, we all do a pretty good job of it. We'll stop off in a place and everybody will get massages. We'll go do stuff like that. You got to take care of yourself, especially on the road because you can get sick and it's a lot of traveling. But really for me, on a personal level, it's an out loud gratitude habit that has nothing to do with social media and nothing to do with meditation. My out loud gratitude habit, which is something that I will execute as a stopgap when I'm feeling depressed or something that I've made a habit of that I do at specific times every time and out loud, meaning not to yourself, but to another person expressing how grateful you are for them. This kind of thing has worked better instead of being grateful for the things in my own life. You know, for me this solution is better. Any time I feel myself slipping into a depression or any of that kind of shit, I make a list. And the next day I will call those people on that list and ask them, “Hey, you've got 5 minutes? I want to tell you how grateful I am to have you in my life, the things that you've helped me do, and blah, blah, blah, blah.”

You do those phone calls and then you feel better, you know what I mean? Every time I'm on tour with Rob or Michelle or anybody I tour with or have toured with in the past, they will tell you sometime right before the end of the tour, I pull everybody together, whether it's my band or not, and tell them how grateful I am for them allowing me to be on stage with them. These habits create a circle around me again of people who care about me rather than just people who I work with. And that allows for a different kind of relationship with the music.

And so those are things that I do on a personal level. As far as wellness overall? Wellness overall is a huge business just like any other business in America. When you apply the concept of infinite growth to anything, you have done something that is antithetical to all the laws of the universe, aside from the universe itself. So in a sense, when you apply infinite growth, you are saying you are just as powerful as the whole universe, which you are not.

I’ll be sitting with what you just said for awhile. Thank you for sharing both your personal “out loud” gratitude practice and your sharp critique of the commodification of wellness for profit. I have just one last question for you, which I’m asking everyone. Can music heal?

JAHI: Music definitely heals, there's no question. That's like a fucking fact. People are in a coma and then they put the headphones and then they're like, “Whoa, I'm awake! You played my favorite song? Oh, yes, I'm aware and alive.” You know, all that kind of shit. Music definitely heals. But I think the strongest thing that music does is gives us reference for our lives. Music is like a big appendix, like footnotes, like if you hear a song, then you see the little number next to the song and then you can go to the chapter, you know what I mean? And it just plays for you and it's one of the strongest things that allows us to experience times in our lives when we were happy or times in our lives when we were sad or times in our lives of anything. And all those ways in which we are listening and listening to things as we're going through stuff attaches those things to those experiences. it's just nice. You'll hear a song and it'll remind you of a person, a place or a thing, and you'll just have a whole memory set and then it feels good, you know?

Beautiful answer, Jahi. Thank you! It's been such a pleasure speaking with you. This has been one of my favorite interviews in a minute. I’m looking forward to the next time we talk. Ok, Last last question: what do you want more of?

JAHI: In the world, I would like to have less greed. But in my life, I would like to have more money.

Jahi Sundance has an album out called Love Isn't Enough with Robert Glasper, Meshell Ndegeocello, Chris Dave and more. Look out for his next project coming out in the Fall.

ALEX ISLEY

Alex Isley is rooted in a deep sense of family pride. While she’s most known for being the daughter of Ernie Isley of the prolific Isley Brothers, her familial and musical influences extend even further back.

One thing is for certain, soul and musical ability are Alex’s birthright and she has the tone and perfect pitch to prove it. In his autobiography Treat It Gentle, Sidney Bechet describes music as, “a feeling inside of [himself], a kind of memory that wants to sing itself.” I’ve always been curious about this strange dance between musicianship and memory, between technical skill and what Quincy Jones calls, “leaving space for God to walk through the room.”

This notion that music can dictate what it wants to say brings me to a related inquiry about the healing properties of sound. Can music heal?

Against the backdrop of a heritage oak tree, Alex stands poised in a cerulean pleated two-piece set, embodying the elegance and quiet strength of someone at peace and in their purpose.

Alex, it’s such an honor to speak with you! In preparing for this interview, I noticed a theme of self-care in both your music and even in the Tiny Desk you put out in 2020. I'm curious to hear more about your wellness practices and how they might buoy your creative practice?

ALEXANDRA: Self-care really began for me even more so once I became a mom. And I think I had always thought about parenthood as so sacrificial and you're just giving up on yourself. And I just thought I was just always going to be just running behind my little one. But I learned ironically, that the most important thing about parenthood is taking care of yourself so that you're in a position to take care of your child, your children, how you should. And so motherhood was the beginning of being even more purposeful towards my me-time and ways I can just pour into myself and better myself.

How has motherhood transformed the way you make music? My sister has two kids and she's a working artist and I remember her reflecting back to me that becoming a mother strengthened her art practice. I'm curious if that resonates at all for you of it’s something different?

ALEXANDRA: Absolutely. Motherhood has made me way more intentional with my time and and how I create. It's made me more patient with myself, like being okay with not being inspired every second of the day. Or sometimes I might feel like I want to create, but nothing's coming to me. And so being patient in that way too. So yeah, motherhood has taught me patience. Having grace, giving myself grace and just being even more intentional.

Speaking of family, every interview I’ve read of yours starts with the interviewer contextualizing you within your family lineage. And while coming from such a heavy legacy as The Isley Brothers is something to be seriously proud of, do you ever crave standing apart from it? Even for just a moment. Can you be grateful for your family legacy while also shining on your own or are you inextricably tied for the better?

ALEXANDRA: That's my foundation. I think, no matter what, there's always that sense of family pride. They are extremely encouraging and supportive of what I do. And that means the world to me to have that. But honestly, I'm influenced by so many other things. I studied jazz in college and so there's a lot of that in my artistry and how I perform. I'm influenced by West Coast hip hop. You know, growing up in LA, I'm also influenced by 90s R&B so there's so much more in the pot. And so I feel like that's helped me elaborate on the lineage while also carving another path for myself because I think I can do both. I I can be proud of where I come from, but also step out and go in another direction.

I love your “yes and” answer, that resonates. I’m always curious about the balance between formal training and more nuanced influences including coming from a musical family and the ways in which the music is inside us from birth. What would you say are the ingredients of being a musician or artist that can't learn in a classroom?

ALEXANDRA: You can't learn the love. And I genuinely love performing. You're born with that or you develop that naturally. But yeah, you can't learn that or be taught that. So, for sure the love for what I do can’t be taught and everything else comes after that and falls into place. Yeah, I just genuinely love to do this.

And since we're at Blue Note, I have to ask what was your relationship to jazz growing up? And how has it evolved overtime?

ALEXANDRA: So my maternal grandfather dabbled in jazz when he was younger. He was a dentist for many years because his parents wanted him to pick a practical job, but he had a passion for jazz drums. He was really the beginning of my jazz education. I learned who Oscar Peterson and Billie Holiday were and I came across Ella and Duke eventually but I didn't really get into jazz until high school, when I heard the vocal jazz group singing "Lush Life." I didn't know what it was, but I was like, ‘whatever this is, I want to sing it!’ And that was the beginning. I sang jazz all through high school and then ended up studying it in college at UCLA. And so, at this point, it's such a part of everything I do, how I perform on stage, how I interpret a song, how I write a song, how I interact with players on stage. It’s impacted everything and it’s such a huge part of my artistry.

Can you speak to how you tap into emotions you may or may not be experiencing when you perform? Both you and Bilal possess this tremendous capacity to move me to tears with every vocal performance and I’m awed by the emotion you stir in us, the listener. I’ve always been curious about how you connect and channel the feeling even if it’s not fresh to your direct experience. From what well do you dig from?

ALEXANDRA: I think sometimes it may not be necessarily about connecting to the emotion of what it is I'm singing, but sometimes it's just connecting to the feeling, like how the music itself feels. And a lot of times that's how I feel. Sometimes the music is dictating to me what it wants to say. Most of what I've written has come from personal experience. So most times I can tap into it. But when there are moments where I may not necessarily identify with being heartbroken, for example, it's just the feeling of the music itself that lends help with that.

It’s so powerful that the music itself is communicating through you. I feel that deeply when I see you perform. In the same spirit as this question, do you believe music heals?

ALEXANDRA: Music absolutely heals, it definitely has healing properties. I have seen, even scientifically, it has been proven. So music is absolutely healing. It doesn’t matter the language or the instrument. If it strikes a chord, then that's just the connection - that's the heart connection. And so I think that's something really special because music really has no boundaries to me.

How did you and Jack Dine meet? You two have such undeniable chemistry, was that there from the beginning or a slower build? I'm interested in the intimacy created between collaborators.

I met Jack in mid-2019. I wasn't sure what was going to happen when we first met but we created something that then became our song called “Wait”. And so we just really liked to create. Eventually, we just made it a thing where I was coming weekly and then he was like, “let's put out a project!” and I was like “Okay!”. So we put out “Wilton” eventually in November 2019. And then both of us were like we should do an album and just keep going. And so, I don’t know where the endpoint will be. But, you know, he’s stuck with me for life I think, at this point. The chemistry and the trust that we've developed is just very organic and I’m very grateful for that because you don't come across a dynamic like this. I haven't really had something like this.

Alex Isley has an album out with Jack Dine called “Marigold” featuring Robert Glasper on “Still Wonder.”She will be touring a city near you this month through September.

AMBER NAVRAN

LA based singer, producer, and woodwind player, Amber Navran radiates a warmth and infectious joie de vivre both on-and-off stage. Amber kicked off the festival on Friday with pianist and producer Kiefer, the legendary Chris Dave on drums and Pera Krstajic on bass on the “Blue Note Napa Stage” right at the entrance of the Charles Krug Winery. Playing a mix of familiar hits, unreleased music and even a cover of Mario’s “You Should Let Me Love You” and Beyonce’s “Me, Myself & I,” Amber’s set embodied her range, skill and playful spirit.

AMBER: It was so much fun! I've been such a huge fan of Kiefer for so long and we've had these ideas for a long time but life gets busy and he has this project and he's on the road and I'm on the road with Moonchild. It's really nice to have a reason to get together and finish some stuff. I was a little nervous about performing unreleased songs because I feel like audiences want to hear stuff they know, but a jazz festival is a great place to do it because people are coming a little more open minded, wanting to hear something different from what they know you for. I thought it went well. I had a really good time and we got to play with Chris Dave, which made us really happy. And our bass player was Pera Krstajic and he is so good and just a really joyful person too - always smiling. So it was a really fun set!

Though Amber performed on Friday, she stayed through Sunday to enjoy this history making multi-day festival experience, catch up with friends and connect with other artists.

AMBER: It has felt like a reunion, especially the artist area. It's set up to be such a hang. There's a basketball court, a bunch of couches, amazing food and a lot of spaces where people can get together and catch up. A lot of us haven't seen each other for so long and everyone is just so sweet and wonderful. You're just walking down the path and people are coming up and giving you hugs, you know? It's been the best, best weekend I could ever ask for.

Photograph of Amber Navran with Emily King back stage (2022) by Ashleigh Reddy

Jazz musicians share a certain shorthand with comics as both deal in timing, tension and improvisation. It’s no surprise then that Robert Glasper and Dave Chappelle would combine forces to co-host the festival. In both contexts, I’m curious about the relationship between structure and improvisation, between mastering a form only to eventually break it.

AMBER: I learned structures so that I could break them, so that's where I'm coming from when I'm playing. And once I learned that you can break the structure, I had so much fun! But my husband, Patrick Shiroshi, plays free, improvised music and he's really helped expand my ear and my musical sense of how you can come at the music from anywhere. And if you're coming with emotion and passion and intention and, you know, trying to build something or trying to create new sounds on an instrument, there's just so many ways you can approach it.

There’s a longstanding assumption that heartbreak generates the best music but many contemporary r&b and soul artists are pushing back by consciously creating from a space of joy / emotional diversity. Amber embodies a life-affirming energy both in her sound and song choice that stands out.

AMBER: I'm sure this is true for most songwriters or artists but creating is my therapy. I process a lot of what I'm going through through the music. And so of course, you know, as an artist and just a human that includes like a lot of self-doubt and a lot of moments where you're like, “Why do I do this?” And so sometimes being in that place, you can write a song for yourself or the things that your friends say to you or the things that you read or the things that get you through those times. I feel like it's really healing to write from a place where you're feeling down, but then it's also so lovely and wonderful to come to a song to just talk about the joy that you feel.

Photograph of Amber Navran wearing BRWNGRLZ (2022) by Ashleigh Reddy

Not every artist is born into a musical family or finds and develops their passion for music early on in life. And while Amber joined the school band at a young age and went on to pursue jazz saxophone, she didn’t start singing until much later in her career. Amber shares hard-earned wisdom about being patient on the long, non-linear journey of honing one’s voice.

AMBER: I feel like I've grown so much in so many ways. When we first started Moonchild, I had just started singing. So I feel like the last ten years have been me really finding my voice and feeling comfortable in my voice and my body - especially in the past few years, especially with ‘Starfruit’. For me personally, I know where my voice sits anywhere that I want to go, which took a long time. I think it takes everyone a long time to get there. But I didn't grow up singing, so I spent a lot of time early on feeling really self-conscious about learning while creating. But looking back, I really feel like at the end of the day, it's about the songs and the lyrics and the feel of the song and the emotion that the song and the track is bringing. I feel like coming from the jazz world, especially playing saxophone, the easiest horn to play, you know, like all saxophone players have moments in their solos where they're ripping because they can and it's really killing and impressive and amazing. But coming as a vocalist with all of that background, I spent a long time feeling self conscious about it. And honestly, our career has taught me that that's not at all what it's about. It's nice when it's there and knowing your instrument is important. But yeah, I feel like now I have more confidence because I know myself better and my instrument better. It’s easy to feel like you have to be amazing at every single thing you do. And now I feel like I just want to come and be myself and make melodies and just be honest in the music and that's the best I can do. And that's okay with me.

Artists are more likely to be asked questions about responsibility than politicians. Surely, this says something about how little politicians are held accountable or maybe it reveals more about who's asking the questions. But perhaps, more importantly, it says something about how powerful artists are and how we look to them for cues on how to respond, reimagine and remember. As Amiri Baraka famously said, “there are people who actually believe that politicians are more powerful than artists, what a bizarre lie.” In truth, it’s critical for each of us to contend with our responsibility and our specific positionality in relation to power - openly and out loud.

AMBER: I definitely think responsibility is the right word for white musicians. I think all white people have a responsibility to combat white supremacy in whatever space they exist in. And I feel very aware of that responsibility being in Black music. I really want to just bring whatever I can to the table respectfully and in a way that feels good and helpful and not in the way. I think it's something that we should all be doing. And I do see a lot of people doing it, which makes me happy. But yes, it's definitely a responsibility that we all have.

Is music a mirror reflecting our reality back to us, a hammer smashing the image reflected in the mirror, a portal teleporting us to new worlds or deeper within ourselves? All or none of the above?

AMBER: Music is just really healing. If I'm feeling like quitting or just like feeling down or like, ‘why do I do this?’ I know that if I go into my closet studio and make a beat, I'll feel better. And sometimes it takes me too long to get in there and do it, you know? Like when you know the answer, that doesn't mean you do it right away, but it just I feel so empowered and I feel like the most like myself in that space. And it feels really playful. It doesn't feel like there's judgment around, you know, I feel just feel really free and playful. And so that's what it is for me. And I'd like to think that that translates to people, you know? I hope it does.

MOONCHILD has an album out called “Starfruit”. Amber is currently working on an album with Jacob Mann and Phil Beaudreau that will hopefully come out next year under the name Cat Pack. She is also working on an album with Kiefer alongside several other exciting collaborations. Stay connected to her on all social platforms.

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